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Wednesday, 31 December 2008
Sex on the Beach - is Western Decadence a Molotov Cocktail?
 by Mary Jackson(January 2009) They belch, vomit, copulate, litter and barge their way through public spaces, dressed like hookers and louts, defying the police without shame or modesty. British expatriates are some of the worst: overpaid, oversexed and all over the place.
This is how Minette Marrin, writing in The Times, describes the British abroad, and with some justification. Marrin is responding to the case of well-heeled expatriates Michelle Palmer, 36, and Vince Acors, 34, who had drunken sex on a beach in Dubai and insulted a policeman who tried to caution them. The “couple” – or rather “copulating pair”, for they had only just met – were sentenced to three months in prison for offending public decency and fined about £200 ($320). As a preventative measure, in early November, Dubai’s popular Madinat Jumeirah hotel issued an “etiquette guide”, warning guests to “employ discretion” in public displays of affection (“anything more than a peck on the cheek”) and warning that “drunken behaviour”, especially outside licensed premises in the hotel, is severely punished.“ more>>> Posted on 12/31/2008 6:35 PM by NER
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31 Dec 2008
 Hugh Fitzgerald
"They belch, vomit, copulate, litter and barge their way through public spaces" No, no, no. That's exaggerated. That's much too cruel. They merely jig, they amble, and they lisp. 1 Jan 2009
John M. J.
"...and they lisp." Good Heaventh man, Nobody on thith thide of the pond lithpth. Where on earth did you get that idea. Lithp, indeed! We're Britith and we definitely don't lithp, neither do we jig for that ith what Irithmen do, and they are 'not quite'. However, guilty ath charged, we do 'amble', for that ith what gentlemen and ladieth do. Tho there! Thtick that in your pipe and thmoke it! 1 Jan 2009
Munir
The wives have no such latitude; strict Sharia means that they can be lashed or stoned to death for being raped." An utter lie. Strict Sharias call for the death penalty for the rapist.
No the sight of western armies bombing Muslims is al qaidas best recruiting sergaent
1 Jan 2009
Mary Jackson Strict sharia, as Munir well knows, requires four male witnesses to prove a rape. This is an impossible requirement. So a woman who reports a rape, or who becomes pregnant as a result, can be, and often is - in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and recently Somalia - accused of adultery, for which the penalty is death by stoning. There is no death penalty for the crime of rape, because rape is not a concept in Islam. Theoretically the rapist could be charged with adultery. However, if he denies it, and there are no witnesses - as is usually the case - he will get away with it. Where sharia law applies, for example in Iran, rape victims, but not rapists, are stoned to death. Munir knows this. 1 Jan 2009
Sue R To be fair, we do not know that the couple in question were copulating, or do you think that they would have received a fair trial? There is also a different definition of adultery in Islam, and whatever they were doing may not be considered outrageous in this country. Vince Acors said, on last nights news, that they were kissing not actually having intercourse. However, he wants to return to Dubai for lucrative work, he may not be totally truthful. The point that people can behave badly when in other countries is quite correct, but, I don't know that they behave as badly as you make it sound. Most British people are not football hooligans, drug-crazed sex fiends or loudmouths. 1 Jan 2009
Sue R These countries always used to stress to expatriates how to behave when in their countries, but perhaps with the expansion of their economies, they have neglected to ensure people are educated into how to behave. Firms sending people out there should take some responsibility as well. 4 Jan 2009
Munir
Mary Jackson "Strict sharia, as Munir well knows, requires four male witnesses to prove a rape." Untrue "This is a common myth about Islamic criminal law. Rather, the four witness requirement applies only to the prescribed hadd punishment (which in the case of a married person could be death and for the non-married, 100 lashes). [Marghinani, Hidaya] This punishment is only applied in very rare cases, as is clear, and is meant to be a social deterrent, above all. As the classical and contemporary jurists (such as Mufti Taqi Usmani) have made clear, a rapist can be convicted on lesser evidence (including scientific evidence, such as DNA tests and medical reports) for discretionary punishments. These discretionary punishments are left up to the legal system to determine. However, it is a myth to say that Islam would in any way condone rape, or allow a rapist to go free for this terrible crime against an innocent human being and against society." "There is no death penalty for the crime of rape, because rape is not a concept in Islam." Then how could 4 (sic) witnesses be required for it. In Saudi, Iran and in Somalia where Islamic law was applied the punishment for rape was death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia http://www.handsoffcain.info/archivio_news/200704.php http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/world/middleeast/18iran.html http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=96164
8 Jan 2009
ZZMike Munir may be correct when he speaks of "strict Sharia law". The problem is that is seems to be subject to interpretation: |