Wednesday, 31 December 2008
Sex on the Beach - is Western Decadence a Molotov Cocktail?
by Mary Jackson(January 2009)
They belch, vomit, copulate, litter and barge their way through public spaces, dressed like hookers and louts, defying the police without shame or modesty. British expatriates are some of the worst: overpaid, oversexed and all over the place.
This is how Minette Marrin, writing in The Times, describes the British abroad, and with some justification. Marrin is responding to the case of well-heeled expatriates Michelle Palmer, 36, and Vince Acors, 34, who had drunken sex on a beach in Dubai and insulted a policeman who tried to caution them. The “couple” – or rather “copulating pair”, for they had only just met – were sentenced to three months in prison for offending public decency and fined about £200 ($320). As a preventative measure, in early November, Dubai’s popular Madinat Jumeirah hotel issued an “etiquette guide”, warning guests to “employ discretion” in public displays of affection (“anything more than a peck on the cheek”) and warning that “drunken behaviour”, especially outside licensed premises in the hotel, is severely punished.“ more>>>
Posted on 12/31/2008 6:35 PM by NER
31 Dec 2008
"They belch, vomit, copulate, litter and barge their way through public spaces"
No, no, no. That's exaggerated. That's much too cruel. They merely jig, they amble, and they lisp.
1 Jan 2009
John M. J.
"...and they lisp." Good Heaventh man, Nobody on thith thide of the pond lithpth. Where on earth did you get that idea. Lithp, indeed! We're Britith and we definitely don't lithp, neither do we jig for that ith what Irithmen do, and they are 'not quite'.
However, guilty ath charged, we do 'amble', for that ith what gentlemen and ladieth do. Tho there! Thtick that in your pipe and thmoke it!
1 Jan 2009
The wives have no such latitude; strict Sharia means that they can be lashed or stoned to death for being raped."
An utter lie. Strict Sharias call for the death penalty for the rapist.
"There is no better recruiting sergeant for al-Qaeda than the sight of Westerners trying to thumb their noses at the laws of Islamic countries."
No the sight of western armies bombing Muslims is al qaidas best recruiting sergaent
1 Jan 2009
Strict sharia, as Munir well knows, requires four male witnesses to prove a rape. This is an impossible requirement. So a woman who reports a rape, or who becomes pregnant as a result, can be, and often is - in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and recently Somalia - accused of adultery, for which the penalty is death by stoning.
There is no death penalty for the crime of rape, because rape is not a concept in Islam. Theoretically the rapist could be charged with adultery. However, if he denies it, and there are no witnesses - as is usually the case - he will get away with it. Where sharia law applies, for example in Iran, rape victims, but not rapists, are stoned to death.
Munir knows this.
1 Jan 2009
To be fair, we do not know that the couple in question were copulating, or do you think that they would have received a fair trial? There is also a different definition of adultery in Islam, and whatever they were doing may not be considered outrageous in this country. Vince Acors said, on last nights news, that they were kissing not actually having intercourse. However, he wants to return to Dubai for lucrative work, he may not be totally truthful. The point that people can behave badly when in other countries is quite correct, but, I don't know that they behave as badly as you make it sound. Most British people are not football hooligans, drug-crazed sex fiends or loudmouths.
1 Jan 2009
These countries always used to stress to expatriates how to behave when in their countries, but perhaps with the expansion of their economies, they have neglected to ensure people are educated into how to behave. Firms sending people out there should take some responsibility as well.
4 Jan 2009
"Strict sharia, as Munir well knows, requires four male witnesses to prove a rape."
"This is a common myth about Islamic criminal law. Rather, the four witness requirement applies only to the prescribed hadd punishment (which in the case of a married person could be death and for the non-married, 100 lashes). [Marghinani, Hidaya] This punishment is only applied in very rare cases, as is clear, and is meant to be a social deterrent, above all.
As the classical and contemporary jurists (such as Mufti Taqi Usmani) have made clear, a rapist can be convicted on lesser evidence (including scientific evidence, such as DNA tests and medical reports) for discretionary punishments. These discretionary punishments are left up to the legal system to determine.
However, it is a myth to say that Islam would in any way condone rape, or allow a rapist to go free for this terrible crime against an innocent human being and against society."
"There is no death penalty for the crime of rape, because rape is not a concept in Islam."
Then how could 4 (sic) witnesses be required for it. In Saudi, Iran and in Somalia where Islamic law was applied the punishment for rape was death.
8 Jan 2009
Munir may be correct when he speaks of "strict Sharia law". The problem is that is seems to be subject to interpretation:
<a href="http://www.faithtrustinstitute.org/drupal/blog/marie_fortune/37">Muslim rape victim punished</A>
"International media recently carried the newstory about a Saudi Arabian woman who was gang raped and then sentenced to six months in prison and 200 lashes after she spoke out to protest the lenient sentences given her attackers."
At least one Muslim group protested:
"“Mahdi Bray, the Executive Director of Muslim American Society Freedom, issued the following statement regarding this incident:..."
An American Muslim group.
There are other followers of this "strict Sharia law":
<a href="http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/001885.html">Muslim Rape Fatwa Victim Fears For Her Life</A>
"Mukhtar Mai ..., the woman who, in June 2002, was ordered by a Muslim village court to be gang-raped for a crime that was not of her own doing."
An Austrailian cleric, Mufti Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali, proclaimed:
"... women who do not veil themselves, and allow themselves to be “uncovered meat”, are at fault if they are raped."
al-Hilali is a respected Muslim scholar:
"As for al-Hilali, [Abduljalil Sajid of the Muslim Council of Britain] said that “he is a great scholar and he has a great knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence….I respect his views. His intentions are noble in order to make morality and modesty part of our overall society."
Sounds like a well-thought-out plan: make morality and modesty part of our overall society by raping our women.
So much for "strict Sharia law".